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Monday, November 16th, 2009
5:19 pm
[teenonfire4lord]
ROTY!
Congrats to Chris Coglahn for winning the National League Rookie of the Year!

He edged Phillies pitcher JA Happ 105 points to 94. Cogs batted .321 with 9 homers and 31 doubles in 128 games, with 84 runs and 47 RBIs. He led all NL rookies in batting average, runs, hits (162), total bases (232), and on-base percentage (.390). He was knocked for his defense, but few people realize he was a 2B in the minors, played ONE GAME in left (without a fly ball coming his way) and then was called up. He now has an entire offseason to learn the position.

He's the third Marlin to win, following Hanley Ramirez and Dontrelle Willis.
Thursday, September 24th, 2009
2:55 am
[xorogueox]
This place
Needs some sprucing. We're no longer the 2005 Fl Marlins, we're the 2009 Florida Marlins with a winning record and a chance for the postseason. Let's get a new icon, get some serious discussions going on, and get some pics of the fresh faces the organization has brought us!

Current Mood: jubilant
Sunday, May 24th, 2009
6:05 am
[ctina2277]
Will the bleeding ever stop?
The Marlins have only won 8 of their last 32 games after their stellar 11-1 start.


Heart breaking.
Wednesday, April 8th, 2009
3:32 pm
[ctina2277]
2009 Marlins!
10 walks in today's game and yet we still swept the Nationals! Although the walks today are a little much (in the prior two games only one walk was issued and none had been issued by a SP) a sweep is a great way to start the season! I'm quite excited!
Tuesday, January 27th, 2009
11:34 pm
[owl_in_shower]
Marlins Ballpark
It's been a busy with all the trades and arbitration-eligible players, but as the Marlins prepare for Spring Training, there's an even bigger story.

Although the stadium isn't 100% final (a final vote will happen), renderings were just released today.

Here's the site where you can look at the drawings of what the Marlins' new home will look like:
http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/fla/photogallery/year_2009/month_01/day_27/cf3777340.html

I can't wait until 2012
Sunday, October 19th, 2008
11:50 pm
[owl_in_shower]
9=2
Congratulations to the Rays for becoming the 2008 American League Champions! Although they're our in-state rivals, you can't help but root for them (especially since they're up against the Phillies) through what they had to overcome. Good luck to the Rays and let's hope they kick the Phillies' asses!
Sunday, September 28th, 2008
11:09 pm
[owl_in_shower]
Marlins year in review.
Beinfest said it perfectly, "I'm disappointed, but not unhappy."

Everyone predicted us to be 100-game losers this year. Even I thought they'd lose 92 games. Fortunately, the Marlins played their asses off and exceeded almost all our expectations. Oh and what better way to end the season than to CRUSH the Mets, end their playoff hopes, and close that ugly-ass stadium forever. This series made the pain of not making the playoffs much easier.

Anyone else think that Marlins/Mets will become a huge rivalry now? I sure hope so. I love going to Marlins/Mets games and seeing the Met fans go home empty-handed. Ok, getting a bit off-topic now.

So what went wrong this year? Let's start with the bullpen. At times, it was spectacular, but ever since the Colorado series, it seemed to tail off and become very inconsistent. Kevin Gregg was a disaster in the second half, to say the least. There was a two week span where he blew 4 saves (the Marlins ended up losing all four). Arthur Rhodes was a great addition, but that in itself wasn't a cureall for the bullpen.

Speaking of trades... remember that Manny trade that didn't happen? At first, I thought it would have been a stupid trade for the Marlins. The more I thought about it in the time where it was still in the air, the more I realised that it would have been a great trade. Seeing what happened to our offense in August, I see now that it would have made a huge difference. I watched a few Dodgers highlights with Manny and I saw that he basically makes good contact every time he's up, which is what the Marlins desperately needed in August, when their playoff hopes basically died. From what I remember, we would have lost Tucker and Hermida... both basically did nothing for us since the trade deadline.

Injuries also had a significant impact. As we all know, Josh Johnson and Anibel Sanchez were out for half the year. Willingham also missed 50 games and wasn't playing the same way until about a week ago. Uggla had a sprained ankle that affected him (he had a .290 Average and 23 HR before the injury, ever since he batted around .240 with only 9 HR and seems to strike out every game).

The future, however, looks very very bright for the Marlins. Although a lot of players are up for arbitration, I don't expect them to get extremely pricey, so I think the core will be back. I'm hoping that we'll at least have Willingham, Uggla, Ross, and Cantu back. Cantu in particular, who had an amazing year, I would love to see return. I heard someone say that you can't rely on Cantu having another year like this, which couldn't be any more wrong. In 2005 he had similar stats, except no one noticed because he was with the Rays (who are now Division Champs, congrats to them!). Even if we see some of these players go, we can count on our farm system to back us up. Gaby Sanchez has looked promising and Maybin's a machine. Oh and did I mention that our pitching rotation is one of the best in the league? When Scott Olsen is your 5th starter, then that's pretty fucking good.

John Baker was also a very pleasant surprise. He isn't a great defensive catcher, but he knows how to hit. And of course, Hanley was spectacular, as always.

I can end this entry by saying how proud I am be a Marlins fan and that the future looks very bright for the fish with a good farm system and a stadium that will probably happen. If you read this entire entry, then sorry for dragging it on. Have a good winter. See you in the spring.
Thursday, September 18th, 2008
9:14 pm
[foggynotionn]
Is anyone else beyond impressed with Cameron Maybin?

Current Mood: impressed
Friday, August 29th, 2008
11:04 pm
[owl_in_shower]
Kevin Gregg
You see, this is why we're not going to the playoffs. It's not the excessive strikeouts, the lack of defense, or the poor hitting with runners in scoring position. It's because we don't have a person that can be an actual closer. Instead, we have a guy who was an OK set-up man that can through 95 that we shoved into the closer role.


4 games that should have been wins that we KEVIN GREGG blew in the ninth in the past two weeks.

Seriously, what the fuck?
Tuesday, August 12th, 2008
1:23 am
[fsufan2387]
Enough is Enough
That's it, I'm tired of seeing it over and over again, it happens to us every other game, sometimes in consecutive games!! Tonight was the last straw, there need to ba changes made. Tonight's game against St. Louis, I personally watched our team screw up major once again. Down 3-2 in the Bottom of the 8th, Hanley singles, advances to second because Rick Ankiel cant handle the ball, and then advnaces to Third because it squirts through a quarter of the Cardinal infield before Molina heads it off. There I am thinking theres no way we won't tie this game, oh how wrong I was. Hanley at third, with NO OUTS!!! Even a weak Sac Fly gets him in, as long as its not hit to Ankiel. And what do our guys do? Hermida, Willingham, and Jacobs procede to go down in order, not ONE putting a good swing on the ball. I have one word for it, PATHETIC!!! How does this team expect to catch the Phillies and the Mets when our situational hitting is a non factor? Hermida took 4 hacks before being retired on a weak grounder to first after he swung and missed at two of the worst balls thrown to him. Willingham takes a called third strike in a 3-2 count, shouldent he have been swinging to defend the plate? And Jacobs comes in and after 3 pitches pops out to shallow center field leaving Hanley stranded at third. And the icing on the cake was Uggla getting thrown out trying to steal in the Bottom of the 9th with no outs, he wasnt even close. Freddi needs to shake things up, give these guys a wake up call. This bull crap of making every game a crap shoot and seeing what happens day after day wont get us in the playoffs. Sanchez threw an incredible game giving up 3 runs and striking out Pujols 3 times!! And our only offense was on a passes ball and a Home Run by Ross. Run support has to be there because they're giving us quality innings and we're not taking advantage of it. Plain and simple, our situational hitting needs to improve and FAST if we're gonna have a chance. We cant count on others to do our work for us if we cant win when the Mets and Phillies dont win, if we did that, we would be in first by now. Does anybody have any ideas on how this team can shake it up? I think we should bench Hermida and Jacobs and call up McPherson and move Cantu to 1st and make either Amezaga or Gonzo the starting right fielder. Besides the series with the Cubs and those games after he was dangled as Manny trade bait, Hermida has done practically nothing. This has to stop, there needs to be a wake up call, because if there isnt a change, they'll be watching the playoffs from their couches knowing damn well they could have and should have been there.

Current Mood: pissed off
Wednesday, July 16th, 2008
1:49 am
[teenonfire4lord]
Well...that was disappointing
All Star game goes 15 innings.

National League still loses.

Dan Uggla gains national notice...for having perhaps the worst All Star game ever.

0-4. 3 strikeouts, including one with the bases loaded in extra innings. And 3 errors, 2 in extras, though none effected the game directly.

One plus for us Fish fans, Hanley Ramirez went 2 for 3 with a run scored in his time in the game.
Sunday, July 13th, 2008
4:36 pm
[owl_in_shower]
So why haven't we sent Andrew Miller to the minors?

Seriously, he's been God-awful all year.

Current Mood: annoyed
Saturday, July 5th, 2008
12:02 am
[owl_in_shower]
Why the hell is Kevin Gregg still our closer?
Friday, June 20th, 2008
8:21 pm
[nighthawkal]
Long Ball Marlins

The Marlins are awesome so far this year.  Who would have thought?  If you told me in April that the Marlins would be 2 games out of first place in the NL East and in the Wild Card race in mid-June, I would have thought that you were 1) crazy , 2) on drugs, or 3) extremely overly optimistic.  I thought that the Marlins would suck at the beginning of the season and that they would be lucky to not finish in last place.  Instead, they are one of only 11 teams, in a 30 team league, to have a winning record.   I read somewhere that the Marlins front office may even make some moves if they're still in the race in July.   Who would have thought that after trading away Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis, that the Marlins would be an even better team.  Of course, from some things I have heard, Cabrera may have been a little too much of a prima donna and that may have caused some tension in the club house.  

This year's infield of  Mike Jacobs, Dan Uggla, Hanley Ramirez, and Jorge Cantu may break the record for homeruns by an infield.   They may be the first team to have 25 homeruns by every member of its starting infield.   I hope that, at the very least Hanley Ramirez and Dan Uggla get in the All Star game.  I hope they start.  Hanley's chances of starting may be better than Uggla's chances because Uggla is competing against Chase Utley from the Phillies.  Of course, Utley plays in a hitters park.  The amazing thing about Uggla's accomplishments is that he is hitting his homeruns at Joe Robbie Stadium with that huge outfield.  Who else has a 434 foot centerfield wall?   I hope that Cantu gets in as an All Star too but it would most likely be as a backup.   Everyone should vote at least for Hanley Ramirez and Dan Uggla as All Stars.  Stuff the Ballot boxes to get them in the game.   

The Marlins in the past, especially their World Series years, have been a team that mostly depended on great pitching, small ball, and clutch hitting to win games.  This Marlins team of 2008 relies on the long ball.  Back in 2003, these sports broadcasters from Faux Sports Network would complain that they played a boring brand of baseball, "Small ball".  They can't use that complaint about this 2008 team.  I wonder if the new stadium at the old Orange Bowl site will be more of a hitters park.  It would be fun to watch...



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MARLINS

Marlins' infield on pace to set home run record

Mike Jacobs, Dan Uggla, Hanley Ramirez and Jorge Cantu are on pace to set a record for most homers in a season by a team's infield.

BY CLARK SPENCER

cspencer@MiamiHerald.com

The Marlins&apos; Dan Uggla greets teammate Jorge Cantu after his first-inning home run off the Phillies&apos; Cole Hamels on Wednesday, June 11, 2008, at Dolphin Stadium.
JOE RIMKUS JR. / MIAMI HERALD STAFF
The Marlins' Dan Uggla greets teammate Jorge Cantu after his first-inning home run off the Phillies' Cole Hamels on Wednesday, June 11, 2008, at Dolphin Stadium.
     

 

SEATTLE --
They don't need MapQuest to point them around an infield.

 

Mike Jacobs, Dan Uggla, Hanley Ramirez and Jorge Cantu -- the Marlins' four infielders -- just might know the terrain better than most. That's because when they're not defending the bases, they're often rounding them.

And they are doing so at a historic clip.

Never in baseball history has one team's infielders each hit as many as 25 home runs in one season. But Jacobs, Uggla, Ramirez and Cantu are on pace to become the first foursome to pound out that many.

''It would be a nice feat to accomplish, something to remember the Marlins for in 2008,'' Cantu said.

Said Jacobs: ``I think it would be cool to have the whole infield hit 20 or 25. And if we get to 30, that's even better. It would be neat to see.''

This much is certain: it has never been seen before.

According to the Elias Sports Bureau, only six infield units ever -- none of them in the National League -- have had all four of its members smack as many as 20 home runs in one season.

The 1940 Boston Red Sox were the original. The 2005 Texas Rangers were the most recent and came closest to getting 25 home runs from each of their four infielders, with only shortstop Michael Young falling short at 24.

But the Marlins think they can carve out a new spot in the record books.

The four infielders aren't just on pace to finish with 20 home runs, or even the yet to be attained 25. They are shooting for the moon, launching baseballs into orbit at a clip that would leave each with at least 30.

''That's pretty reachable,'' Cantu said of the 25-homer plateau. ``Even 30 is pretty reachable at the pace we're going.''

SLUGGING IT OUT

Around the horn, here's how they're looking:

• Jacobs, the first baseman, has hit 17 home runs and is on track for 38.

• Uggla, the second baseman, has clubbed 21, which would give him a franchise-record 47 if he keeps it up.

• Ramirez, the shortstop, has knocked 15 out to put him on line for 33.

• Cantu, the third baseman, has 14 homers, a pace that would leave him with 31.

Even if the two home runs Jacobs and Cantu each have hit as designated hitters are discounted, all four are still swatting long balls at an unprecedented pace.

''It's amazing to have three guys on pace to hit 25 or more,'' Marlins hitting coach Jim Presley said. ``To think four of them are doing it is unimaginable.''

And Presley doesn't see any letup.

''Guys can go where they hit two or three home runs in a month,'' Presley said. ``But I don't see our guys doing that.''

Barring a slump, Presley said health is probably the biggest potential obstacle standing between the Marlins infielders and the record. If any one of them goes on the disabled list, their one-for-all and all-for-one attempt to make history could be derailed.

But are all the home runs a good thing?

The Marlins know the knock on them, that they're so dependent on power that they have trouble ''manufacturing'' runs with routine singles, walks and sacrifice flies. No team generates more of its runs from homers than the Marlins.

Bah humbug, says Uggla.

''Runs are runs whether they're scored by single, double or whatever,'' said Uggla, who ranks second in the majors -- one home run behind Philadelphia's Chase Utley.

'It's gotten to a point where whatever way that you do it, it's always going to be the wrong way. If we didn't hit home runs, then people would be saying, `Oh, do you think the team is going to be able to continue winning without power?' ''

GOING BATTY

And the Marlins have been winning, thanks in large part to power. They lead the majors with 106 home runs. To put that number into context, that's more home runs than the 1993 Marlins hit all season. And this season hasn't reached the halfway point.

''People can say what they want, that we don't play small ball,'' said Marlins outfielder Cody Ross. ``That's just the make-up of our team. We're going to hit home runs. Look at the Dodgers [who have 47 homers]. They're dying to have guys hit home runs. For people to complain, maybe they should look somewhere else.''

Then again, home runs aren't everything, and the Marlins infield has its faults.

BATS OFFSET GLOVES

While their bats may be made of silver, their gloves aren't golden. Collectively, no infield has made as many errors.

But they've managed to offset that defect with their slugging.

Heck, the Marlins aren't even sure they intimidate anyone with their power. None of the four infielders could be considered a behemoth.

''I think we're respected as a lineup because everybody knows we can hit,'' Uggla said. ``But we don't have the [Cubs first baseman] Derrek Lee, who fills up a batter's box. That guy can intimidate a pitcher. We don't have guys like Mark McGwire, guys that have pop beyond pop.''

Said Jacobs: 'I wouldn't know if we're intimidating. But there are enough scouting reports out there to know we're going to hit home runs. I think it makes the other teams say, `There's a lot of guys in that lineup you don't want to make a mistake to.' ''

The word is out.

Catcher Matt Treanor said one hitter for the Seattle Mariners, after stepping into the batter's box on Monday, turned to him and said ``You guys rake.''

He wasn't referring to the grounds crew.



Current Mood: surprised
Saturday, May 10th, 2008
4:16 pm
[lauderdale9]
The Marlins On Top In The NL East and Hanley to Sign Six year deal
ORLANDO, Florida -- The Florida Marlins and shortstop Hanley Ramírez agreed on a contract extension for six years and $70 million, according to a source who spoke with ESPNdeportes.com.
 
Ramirez, whom the Marlins obtained in the trade that sent Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell to the Boston Red Sox, is earning $439,000 this season.

 

 

Ramirez would have been eligible for arbitration after this season and would likely have earned a significant pay raise. He was National League Rookie of the Year in 2006 and hit .332 last season with 52 stolen bases and 212 hits last season -- second only to NL MVP runner-up Matt Holliday.

 

 

As of Saturday morning, he was hitting .336 with eight home runs and 21 RBIs in 35 games.

 

 

The Marlins, known as much for dealing away star players as they are for a pair of World Series championships, currently lead the National League East. The team is off to its best start in franchise history (21-14) despite a $21 million payroll -- less than a third of Ramirez's new deal.

 

 

The Marlins plan to build a new stadium on the site of the Orange Bowl in Miami's Little Havana district and locking up Ramirez long-term would give the team a bankable star with whom to open the new stadium in 2011 if all goes according to plan.

 

 

The deal would be the team's first multi-year deal since 2005, when they signed Carlos Delgado to a four-year free agent contract and Paul Lo Duca to a three-year extension. Both were later traded to the New York Mets. The team's previous richest contract was the six-year, $61 million deal signed by Gary Sheffield in April, 1997.

Sunday, March 16th, 2008
4:29 pm
[owl_in_shower]
Conine Retires as a Marlin
Mr. Marlin retires as a Marlin.

Great Marlin player or greatest Marlin player?
Thursday, February 21st, 2008
11:18 pm
[owl_in_shower]
Dream come true
Despite an offseason that left us without two of our biggest stars, we finally have some amazing news.


THE MARLINS ARE STAYING IN SOUTH FLORIDA!


There are still some small obstacles looming (like the security-personnel decision and the Norman Braman case, from what I've been told), but all signs show that they will come out favourably.

I haven't been this happy since we won the 2003 World Series.

Finally, the Marlins will stay in South Florida for good!
Thursday, December 6th, 2007
12:51 am
[nighthawkal]
If You Build It, Will They Come?
Everyone knows that the Florida Marlins have been trying to get a stadium deal for the longest time. They're playing at Joe Robbie Stadium which is really a stadium meant for football. It's not that bad, its adequate, but everyone wants something that's baseball only and they want a dome since it rains a lot, although the drought conditions and the water restrictions seem to be proving that wrong. People seem to want the stadium in the area close to the American Airlines Arena where the Miami Heat play, but that will be very hard to do. They can get something easily where the Orange Bowl is but parking is a problem there. If anyone has ever been to the Orange Bowl for a game, they know all about having to pay local residents $10-20 to park in their yard and walking from that person's house to the stadium.

The Marlins, even though they traded away most of the team after the disappointing 2005 team, seemed like they weren't too bad after being in the wild card chase in 2006 with all the rookies they acquired like Hanley Ramirez and Dan Uggla. Since they were 78-84 that year, everyone thought that they could at least be a .500 team and have a shot at a wildcard in the weak National League. They fired the Manager of the Year and got their puppet manager in there who is a "yes man" and just kisses up to management. its not like Joe Girardi is Billy Martin. Of course, in 2007, the hitting was great. Miguel Cabrera and Dan Uggla both hit over 30 HRs and Hanley Ramiez was a HR short of 30. They play in a pitchers park but that was their best year ever hitting. I think they finished 3rd in the league in runs in 2007. The only problem was the pitching because the pitchers who were great in 2006 all got injured and they had to start guys who probably would'nt make it on other major league teams. So now, we get to a point where the Marlins have a powerful lineup but sucky pitching. They're probably two good starting pitchers away from being competitive in the weak National League. They had said before they thought they'd be a competitive team in 2008. They're also trying to convince the City of Miami and/or Miami-Dade County to use public money for a new stadium for them that may cost around $400 -500 million. So what do they do? They trade the two guys who are the face of the team and the only two remaining guys from the 2003 World Series team? Now, Dontrelle Willis was a fan favorite and should have won the Cy Young Award in 2005 with his 23 wins and 2.58 ERA, but he has been disappointing the last couple of years. Trading him is a little more understandible. But how could you trade Miguel Cabrera who is one of the most feared hitters in the league and possibly a future hall of famer if he keeps this up. Yeah, he gained a lot of weight and he's around 260, but he's hitting more than 30 HR a year and consistently hits over .300, more like .330. He was also popular here because we have a lot of Venezuelans in the area and they like to root for their own. So we trade away, not only a guy who is the best player on the team, but someone who actually brought all 300 people to the stadium.

Miami baseball fans have really been screwed by major league baseball and the circumstances surrounding it. The Marlins were around the top 10 in attendance in their first two years of 1993 and 1994. Then the strike happened in the second season of the team and that made a lot of fans in Miami mad. Then, fans started coming back in 1997, the year they won the World Series, but then, of course, they traded away the team soon after and they were the worst team in baseball the next year in 1998. What normal fan is going to want to go to a game if one year the team wins the World Series but then the next year the team is traded away and its all new players like its a college team. Attendence kept declining year after year, even though they built themselves back up to being an average team in the early 2000's, then of course, they surprised everyone and won the World Series in 2003. Attendence started going up a little bit but the Miami fans still had a bad taste in their mouth after what happened with the strike and 1998. Marlins start building the team up to compete in 2005 and even get a big left handed bat in Carlos Delgado, but Lowell had his worst season ever and the manager that won the 2003 World Series was too scared to bench the $8 million Lowell in favor of Jeff Conine, "Mr. Marlin" who was actually hitting that year and who made a lot of clutch hits. After that season, all the good players except for Cabrera and Willis were traded away. That actually seemed to work in their favor because they were better than expected and the players they traded away ended up having disappointing seasons like Carlos Delgado. I always thought LoDuca was overrated as a Catcher and the only reason why he was an all star was because the Catcher position is so weak in the National League.

Despite all this, the fans are to blame some too. The Marlins had been competitive from 2003-2006, yet they're close to the bottom of the league in attendence. Cubs fans wish they had a team that would actually win a championship, or how about 2, in a 6 year timespan. Even though the Marlins have had a lot of disappointments because of being a small market team and working on a small budget, they've been able to do what a lot of teams in bigger markets with bigger payrolls haven't been able to do , and that is win the big games. Two championships in 6 years is hard to do, even though they had a lot of lows in that timespan too. There are 30 teams in the league and if all of them were to have a championship, it would take 30 years for them all to be able to win if a different team won every year. Marlins fans have been really lucky to have a team win like they have. They need to show more support so then the team wants to stay in the South Florida area and so the local gov'ts here are willing to put the money into a new stadium for the team. But if you're only getting 300 people for a day game, who wants to put hundreds of millions of dollars into a stadium that no one is going to go to? It sucks that major league baseball has disappointed us with the players strike and it sucks that the people who run the team have screwed us with trading away good players, but if we want them to keep the team in this city and to put good players on the team and keep them here, the Marlins need to average more than about 15,000 people for a game. They were able to average more than 35,000 in 1993 and 1994 before the strike, so why can't they do it again? I don't understand it. The only logical explaination I can think of is that the fans have been disappointed by major league baseball and the people running the Marlins so many times that they don't want to put their money and their emotions into a team that is going to trade away good players after they become good and a team that might not even be here 5 years from now. When I was 16 and got a car, I was considering one of those Marlins license plates. I ended up not getting it thinking, "what if the team isn't even here 5 years form now and I look ridiculous driving with a license plate of a team that's not even playing here anymore?" I got a plate instead, for the 0-12 Dolphins who are flirting with imperfection.

This trade seems to be an indication that the Marlins ownership isn't serious about keeping the team in the Miami area. If they were, they would have kept at least Miguel Cabrera so then we'd have someone who is probably a top 10 player in the league so the fans would have something to cheer about and possibly try to get 2 decent starters so the pitching doens't blow the game once the hitting gets them a lead. But if you are going to put hundreds of millions of dollars into a new stadium, you want to know that if you build it, they will come...
Wednesday, December 5th, 2007
6:41 am
[teenonfire4lord]
Cabrera, Willis traded for six Tigers prospects

camdog, thanks for the breaking news post. Now, to flesh it out a bit.

The theme of the offseason for the Marlins this year has basically been Miguel Cabrera getting traded. Maybe Dontrelle Willis too, but mainly Miggy. The Marlins were talking deeply with the LA Angels, and in fact the Angels thought a deal had been worked out on 2 different occasions. Both times, the Marlins went back and said "You know what? We think he's worth more than that." The Giants were also interested, but felt the Marlins were asking too much: 4 players, at least 3 of them pitchers and at least 2 of the 4 with major league experience. The Dodgers were sniffing around, and the Mets and Phillies were desperately trying to trick the Marlins into trading Cabrera to a division rival. But the team that ended up getting Cabrera is the team noone really talked about.

The Tigers approached the Marlins at the Winter GM Meetings and basically said, "Listen, we're willing to give up our best field prospect and best pitching prospect AND a bunch of other guys...but we need Willis along with Cabrera." A few hours later, the deal was done.

TIGERS GET:
Miguel Cabrera
Dontrelle Willis

MARLINS GET:
Andrew Miller: 2005 #1 Draft Pick. Dominated at UNC. Blazed through the minors. 6'6", Randy Johnson type pitcher. Great heater.
Cameron Maybin: Finally, the Marlins have a Center Fielder. Another kid that blazed through the minor leagues. Maybin has basestrealing speed and home run power.
Mike Rabelo: A decent catcher that should be Treanor's backup. Miguel Olivo...it was nice knowing ya.
Eugolio De La Cruz: Pretty good in the minors in short outings. Could be a solid reliever.
Dallas Trahern and Burke Bradenhop: Basically the same thing, quality minor league starters. Both will probably start at AA Carolina, get a bit more seasoning, then come on board later. Could each be 2009 starters.

So the Marlins trade away 2 superstars and get SIX prospects, two of them top top top guys and the others pretty good. The Fish add even more young pitching, add some depth to the catching position, and Maybin will probably be the starter in center.

The Good, The Bad, The Ugly

THE GOOD: The Marlins once again extract a king's ransom for super talent. Rabelo's the only guy whose stats I looked at and went "Eh...". The rest could all be staples of a Marlins team down the line. Remember, Dontrelle Willis was once a young pitching prospect included in a salary dump deal. This front office does ONE thing right...scout young talent and pry it away from other teams.

THE BAD: All we lose to get this young talent is 200 innings worth of pitching and a .300 batting average with 30 home runs. That's all. Cabrera and Willis were also the last 2 Marlins to experience that magical night in New York, October 2003. The 2008 team, playing just 5 years later, has absolutely no connection to that team. In less than 5 years, an entire roster has turned over.

THE UGLY: It happens again. Great superstar players get traded right as arbitration rolls around. Can fans handle it another time? You can't call it a fire sale because it's not like this roster is loaded anyway. How many of the Marlins 71 wins were Cabrera and/or Willis responsible for? I bet together it was at least 9...which means we could be looking at a 100-loss Marlins team next year. And what does this do to the stadium talk?

To me, I only see 1 solution. 1 way that the Marlins get a new stadium, the team has money spent on them, the fans in Miami get a quality team in a new stadium.

Let the Marlins leave. Let them move to San Antonio or Las Vegas or wherever it is. My trust in Miami baseball is not gone. My trust in the Marlins is. I just feel...numb with them. Disconnected. They are my favorite baseball team right now but...I don't know if I can make myself care about them anymore. Let that team leave. Give it two years, tops. Some fat cat business man will see the money the Marlins made on TV and radio and stuff in Miami, and will want to bring an expansion team here. The league's TV contract will have sufferered for having lost the Marlins TV ratings (consistently high), so they will agree to expand the league by another team. Since Dolphin Stadium won't be an option, a new stadium will have to be a part of the deal. But that, in turn, ensures a stream of revenue that the owner can spend on the team. I can't guarantee that the new owner will be any more interested in spending money on Miami baseball than Loria (the Commissioner might be able to include some sort of guarantee of that, but I doubt that's legal). But I can guarantee that Loria isn't interested on ever spending money on the Marlins. He sees them as a profitable venture, a way to make money, not spend it.

I just feel that baseball in Miami needs a fresh start. Far too many negative ideas and feelings are associated with the Florida Marlins.

Tuesday, December 4th, 2007
6:14 pm
[camdog]
Peter Gammons is reporting that Willis and Cabrera are headed to the Tigers for a bunch of prospects.
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